Dave Gibbons, lead pastor of NewSong Church, has recently written a book on leadership called The Monkey and the Fish: Liquid Leadership for a Third-Culture Church (Zondervan). He graciously agreed to answer a few questions about this topic for me to post on this blog, so if you are interested in the topic of church, leadership, and change, read on! Great insights here from Dave, as always...
Q: What are the leadership and church structures that most hinder change in institutions such as the church, and what are alternative ways to meeting and leading that help a church be more flexible and able to adapt to the needs of today's culture?
The leadership structures that hinder change in the church typically are the ones that that tend to be more preservation homogeneous and comfort oriented. It’s hard to adapt when everyone is alike. Differences spur and catalyze change. Furthermore, the more centralized and old an institution is the more it tends to be safe and slow. Comfort and influence seem to get more important than Cause and innovation.
Churches can become more flexible as they see and practice some of these things:
1. Embrace that it’s not an option.
God calls us to love our neighbors. Someone different than us. Someone that we would even hate. The Christian community loves the Word of God so if they can see it they can be obedient.
2. Pursue intersections of culture.
Studies show that the cross pollination of different sectors, domains, occupations, cultures fosters creativity and innovation. So in leadership, the blend of women and men, young and old, and multiple ethnic cultures will actually create an ethos of change. When one lives in this environment you change or you die.
3. Live in other cultures.
As you spend real time with those different than you whether it’s race, culture, socio-economic, and those you would not get along with, God changes you. Iron sharpens iron. You meet Jesus in the midst of those you consider the least.
4. Pray that God would break your heart with the things that break His heart.
As you walk your city, pray this dangerous prayer.
Helen, these are just a few things to start the journey.
Q. Are all churches meant to become third-culture?
Yes, I believe if we are all called to “love our neighbors” absolutely. Third culture is rooted in this purpose for the church. To painfully adapt by loving, learning and serving the other in our midst. The issue often is the context of the people group, and the calling, willingness to obey and the capacity of the leaders.
Q. How realistic is this for the vast majority of evangelical churches that largely reside in monoethnic settings?
It’s definitely the work of the Holy Spirit! To ask people to enter into pain and suffering, eat foods they don’t like, hang out with people that make you uncomfortable is counter-cultural. I would say the key is for the one who does get it to start living out the third culture life. Personally, before the movement became church-wide, I felt God telling me I had to live it out more intentionally. So my family and I moved out to Bangkok. It starts with leadership and prayer. As one engages real suffering and poverty, clarity emerges.
Q. In those cases, how critical is it that they find ways to intentionally reach across ethnic/regional lines to become more third-culture in nature? What are the ramifications of not doing so?
If we don’t live out the third culture life, we miss out on loving God. I see the two primary commandments of loving God and loving our neighbor as one coin but two different sides. If you can’t love your neighbor, it means you don’t love God. If you love God, you love your neighbor. This theological motif is further affirmed with the book of 1 John. It’s about obedience albeit uncomfortable and extremely difficult at times.
The ramifications of not becoming third culture, you die spiritually. When one misses out on loving the other, they miss out on knowing what it is to love God. They don’t fulfill the purposes of why we’re on this earth.